The Online Citizen’s reply and our stand
Posted by wayangparty on February 8, 2008
On February 6, we published a comment left by a netizen named “Jasper” on Singabloodypore alleging that The Online Citizen’s Chief Editor Mr Choo Zheng Xi was being paid by a PAP MP to write articles on TOC.
TOC has threatened to take legal action against Jasper and us for publishing these comments and have demanded an apology and retraction of statements made.
As requested by Mr Andrew Loh Hong Puey of WP and TOC, we are publishing their replies and Jasper’s apology on this blog. However we do not feel an apology from us is necessary as we are not the ones who made the allegations in the first place.
Mr Choo Zheng Xi’s reply:
Jasper, Wayangparty,This is completely false, and really you have absolutely no credibility hiding behind pseudonyms making these completely incorrect assertions.Anyone with a modicum with common sense would see the stupidity of a PAP MP paying people to be critical of the government.
Absolute rubbish.
Posted by: Choo Zheng Xi | 06/02/2008
Mr Andrew Loh’s reply:
Dear Jasper,You said the following, with regards to Remy (or Zheng Xi),“this toc chief is paid by a pap mp out in the west of singapore to write. PAID BY PAP TO WRITE. and paid quite well so its said. “
Please tell us the name of the PAP MP whom you alleged paid Zheng Xi to write.
You also said:
“well the only definite thing is, you’ll see more written on this constituency and of course, it’ll be glowing.”
Please identify and name the articles on TOC about “this constituency” which you insinuated Zheng Xi was paid to write about. Also, please tell us the name of “this constituency” so that everyone will keep an eye out to see if TOC will write “glowingly” about it, if indeed TOC writes about it.
I think if what you say are based on facts, you should not be afraid to name the PAP MP. Otherwise, I think we can all dismiss your allegations as baseless, malicious and hogwash.
Thanks.
Regards,
Andrew Loh
Co-editor, theonlinecitizen
Posted by: Andrew Loh | 06/02/2008
Jasper’s reply:
My allegations about TOC’s Editors being PAID BY PAP TO WRITE were based on hearsay without any concrete evidence.I now retract my earlier comments and offer my unreserved apologies to TOC’s Editors for any damages and loss of reputation they suffered as a result.
Posted by: Jasper | 07/02/2008
Our note: Till now, Jasper has not replied to us and we are unable to prove that he is responsible for the comments made on Singabloodypore.
Our Stand:
1. Both Remy Choo and Andrew Loh have denied vehemently of being paid by a PAP MP to write articles on TOC and while we would like to give them the benefit of the doubt, at this moment in time, there is a lack of sufficient evidence to prove or disprove Jasper’s allegations.
2. Jasper claimed that he made those allegations based on hearsay. The editors of TOC have challenged Jasper to substantiate his claims by naming the PAP MP. We felt that as an individual, Jasper lacked both the time and resources to defend himself and it is unfair to resort to such “Durai-style” bullying tactics in order to silence their detractors.
3. There is no doubt that The Online Citizen has intimate links with the establishment. To quote from the TOC blog: Its Chief Editor Mr Remy Choo Zheng Xi is an elected member of the Buona Vista CCMC which makes him a grassroots leader. Its Co-editor Mr Ephraim Loy is a YPAP member and Chairman of the Bedok-Punggol Reservoir CCMC. George Yeo writes on his blog frequently. Two senior writers had links with the establishment in the past – Mr Yeo Toon Joo is an ex-ST journalist and Mr Gerald Giam hailed formerly from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Even its Founder Mr Andrew Loh himself was a PAP member / supporter before he joined WP 2 years ago.
Based on the background of the members on board its Editorial team and its all too familar PAPsque style of employing hardball tactics with veiled threats of legal action to silence their critics, we continued to harbor serious reservations about The Online Citizen’s agenda. It is far more convincing and easier to spread one’s intended propaganda through prism of an “anti-establishment” blog than through online media operated by the establishment like STOMP. We leave readers to assess for themselves if TOC is as “non-partisan” as it claimed or is it being used as a front to manage cyberspace dissent by “diverting” opposition supporters to a “moderate” blog instead of “radical” ones like Sgpolitics.net, The Singapore Rebel and The Singapore Dissident which government bashing are allowed to go completely free and unedited.
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Onlooker said
Errrm I kind of know that a long time ago,after Burma story breaks actually.
Talkcocking said
Just curious, why does TOC want to have at least one confirmed Young PAP member on its editorial board? It’s getting itself into muddy water, isn’t it?
soci said
After searching for the origins of the comments above I can state that the comment posted on 05/02/08 at 12:15 by ‘Jasper’ and using the email address jasperwee@gmail.com was from a Singaporean IP address.
The retraction posted by ‘Jasper’ on 07/02/08 at 11:50 and using the email address Jasper@gmail.com was posted from a US IP address affiliated with “Ocean State Higher Education and Administration Network”
So the initial statement accusing the TOC of being paid up members of the PAP was written by someone inside Singapore and the retraction was written using an IP address in the US.
Jasper could have posted in Singapore then flew to the US and posted from his school there. Or someone claiming to be jasper wrote the retraction using proxy servers to hide their true location.
Jon said
Is the threat to take legal action supposed to be inferred from their replies? Or was there a separate letter? Why not publish that instead? Wouldn’t it be much more sensational?
wayangparty said
Hi Jon,
With regards to the above matter, we have been instructed by Mr Andrew Loh of TOC to refrain from writing any more commentaries on it.
The alleged defamatory remarks were made by Jasper and we will not be held responsible over them.
As far as we are concerned, TOC is now settling the matter with Jasper in private.
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Joey said
I hardly think threatening to sue is “hardball” tactic – it is just a very commonly used legal response to slander cases. It is unfair to compare Andrew Loh and Remy Choo to Durai or, indeed, the PAP since I doubt (of course I may be wrong) either of them have the resources that Durai and the PAP does. It would be a sad day if every one who sought the protection of the law against slander was suddenly a Durai or the PAP.
I can certainly see where you’re coming from when you say that would not apologise (since you were “not the one who made the allegations in the first place”). Is that’s legally defensible?
Legal considerations aside. If someone spreads a malicious rumour about a particular girl in my class and I, for my part, give that rumour a bigger audience by repeating the rumour to others, I would be guilty of injury towards my classmate. Of course, whether or not I want to apologise to the girl is up to me and depends, on a large part whether rightly or wrongly, on how much I like that girl to begin with (which can’t be a lot considering I helped spread that rumour). But it doesn’t change the fact that I did damage. And I think – deep inside me – I would know that I did something wrong.
Of course that is assuming she is innocent. But innocence/guilt is hard to prove. And I’d rather assume innocent until proven guilty, especially when the evidence doesn’t all line up.
I think we need to all realise that the past isn’t always an indicator of the present and there is scope for pro-govt and anti-govt dialogue. It doesn’t benefit Singapore for the two camps to be at opposite ends of the room. Change can only be meaningful when there’s real engagement between the pro and the oppo.